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To Whom It May Concern,

The Communist Party of DeviantART no longer recognizes the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea as a legitimate Socialist state, Communist movement, and Proletarian cause. For decades, the leading philosophies of North Korea have been Juche and Songun, both of which are incompatible and contrary to the aims and ideals of Marxism. Songun alone, being a "military first" philosophy, speaks for the North's abandonment of the workers movement. Other evidence of North Korea's abandonment of any Socialist aims include the removal of Marxist references from that nation's constitution.

Not only has the North abandoned the proletarian struggle for which we all stand, it has time and again abused the workers and peasants to the benefit of the military. The Kim dynasty, truly a neo-monarchical institution if ever there was one, is also being charged with gross Crimes Against Humanity by the United Nations. While prosecution of Kim Jong-un or other DPRK leaders is unlikely, the CPDA sees this as a positive action by the international community. Reports from within the DPRK itself indicate that since Kim Jong-un rose to power, mass arrests and political imprisonments have risen dramatically. Mass torture is also an alleged crime of the regime. Starvation of citizens, with economic resources tied up in the military, is also a gross act of criminal negligence.

To better reflect this stance towards the DPRK, the Communist Party of DeviantART will no longer accept artwork, writings, or other creative material that shows support, sympathy, or other positive portrayal of the Kims or the DPRK as a comrade in arms. While North Korea has resisted Imperialism, they have fallen off the path of Socialism in place of a military dictatorship. A dictatorship not of the proletariat, but of one family. A dynasty that has elevated the revolutionary leader Kim Il-song to the level of godhood, embraces hereditary progression of leadership, and has been directly responsible for the regression of the North Korean peoples.


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DigiquillDraws Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist
That's what Communism is in reality. That socialist paradise you dreamers talk about, it doesn't exist, it can't exist except In your dreams. Wake up and live in the real world.
renjikuchiki1 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Student General Artist
The real world is cesspool of death and greed promoted by the interests of corporations and the bourgeoisie. North Korea is no socialist state, nor ever was it. If we all band together to end this capitalist menace, we can end the nightmare and live the dream.
DigiquillDraws Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist
That's adorable, it honestly is. But what your wrong about is that it's Government's that perpetuate war Corporations simply cater to existing markets. To end war people need to assert control over their governments. When the people force their government's to stop causing pointless wars the corporations will stop producing military hardware because there will be no profit in it.
Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014
I suggest all the comrades that read this debate also to look at pages like this: all the bias in reporting of DPRK news.…
You will discover how most of them are basically fake propaganda
JKM1993 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014
Finally, common sense is being applied. Funny how I saw through the Kim dynasty for they really are; They are or trying to be a modern version of the old Choseon(?) Kingdom of antiquarian times past with Confucian values, all cloaked under a banner of overtly patriotic and nationalistic socialism.

They are a fascinating bunch as far as dynasties go, I would like to see them overthrown at some point in my life. Korea really needs to be united and ironically, it is the Kims who are stalling that progress. Too bad, everyone in North Korea hates Japan and quite frankly, I don't blame them. However, trade between Japan and North Korea is the beginning of the dawn of Korean unification. Lastly, I would like to say this; My personal belief is that anyone who supports DPRK is abandoning socialism and his/her God - given ability of common sense. Marx would definitely not approve of DPRK in any form whatsoever. I will go and venture to say that the system in North Korea is a corruption of Stalinism, which never really was socialism or communism in the vision of Marx, Engels and Lenin. It was and still is, a stagnant and musty form of worthless and useless, blind hero worship of a ruthless murderer who waded through rivers of a million crimson tears. Now, before the passing of Stalin in 1953; Kim Il Sung was studying in the USSR. So, naturally in the early years of DPRK, policies reflected a Stalinist influence which proceeded to evolve into the mess we have today with a young 30 year old man with little experience when he came into power and still is much a mystery to the West. It is only natural that a tightly run country with three dynastic rulers would adopt a policy like Songun. I don't know if this is true but it been suggested that Songun is to replace Juche as the main ideaology in North Korea.

I guess I could get into "Pyongyang" watching, North Korea to me is like watching a good documentary on a gruesome disease with a rare or no cure. Utterly chilling in a beguiling and darkly humorous way ( I know that there is nothing humorous about this subject)

Kudos to the comrades who ruled this stance. This was much needed.
Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014
Exploiting old national values it's a widespread element in ALL of the communist nations of present and past.
You should also criticize Soviet Union for the past remembering of the previous czarist-era (especially the fights against external foes) or Cuba for exploiting the figure of Josè Marti.

If you criticize the DPRK in the sense that's like Stalinism and you criticize it, ok, you may do it, but keep in mind that you've now to work on debate the stalinism as a whole.

Songun is a policy, not an ideology, that exploit the military in time of need (not just giving resourches to them, but making the military to provide resourches to the state).

However the truth it's also that if you had lived in '20, you would have been equally shocked about Lenin's behavior and how he struggled to suppress the counter-revolutionary forces into and out the borders.
JKM1993 Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014
I see, but what I am saying is Juche, the North Korean idea is dead; The DPRK has removed all mention of Juche and seems intent on replacing it with Songun, which is a millitary policy like you said as a ideology as strange and bizarre as it sounds. Then again, when has North Korea ever been a country to make sense? Stalinism in my humble opinion is old, antiquated and despotic with great, blaring overtones of nationalistic pride with cult-like hero worship being nothing short of idolatry at the worst. Sure, Stalin had insight on millitary matters but nobody liked him; Not even Lenin who said "...I am not sure whether he will always be capable of that authority with sufficient caution..." remarking later that Stalin was "too coarse" in his final testament.

Of course, this is all I am saying about Stalinism in general as I do not know a whole lot about Stalinism.

Kim Il Sung was most definitely a product of Stalinist thoughts and learning. Except that he put the Confucian values into the utopia of Communism, effectively making Juche.

Anyway, every form of government exploited it's people in some form or another. Communism included but what is happening in North Korea is NOT what Marx had in mind.

Yes, I remember reading that, the famine during Lenin and the Allied operation to help the Tsarists fight Bolsheviks.
Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014
Let's think at some background: once Soviet Union was fall, the communist countries had few choices to do.
Some as China, Vietnam and Laos walked on a path of capitalist economy, with larger or minor success, with larger or minor setback, with better or worse management (better has been Vietnam, that is proving able to put a stop on some thing, differently from China).
Cuba and DPRK differently had a different problem: both were (and are) under an economic block and ongoing threat of invasion/plot do cause the downfall of the goverment.
Cuba has been gifted with a pleasent country and sea, so they worked on turism, downplaying the military (that's basically turned to "0") to make more friendly relationship with Europe and gaining trusts point on this side.
DPRK could have done nothing about it, because the country is cold, rugged, poor or agricultural resource.
Not to mention the fact that DPRK face a more direct challange, because SouthKorea (as DPRK) claim the leadership of the whole peninsula, and the US Army kept a stable military presence.

Every idiot at this point could have understood that keeping a strong military force could be the ONLY element to keep the survival of the goverment. (and there are ongoing "lesson-learned": see what happened in Libya to Gheddafi: he trusted the west, he started to make economic collaboration, he gave up his missiles and stop buying weapons: they betrayed him and killed him).

If you research a bit, "Songun" never replaced "Juche"; they're to completely different thing.
"Juche" design the political background of DPRK, that's basically Korean Socialism (as every different communist-socialist country ever defined his own adaptation of socialism/communist, shaped after the different cultureal and social background of the country).
"Songun" is a strategy, as one of the many employed  by all the communist countries (including Soviet Union under Lenin, that employed more than one), and is basically "We give resourches to the army, we are sure to keep a powerful army to prevent invasion,  then we employ the army in economy-building projects to fill the gap".

There is nothing of particular "bizzarre" with this, just look at the Leninist policies during the Civil War in Russia.

Cult of personality it's another matter that require long talks: one can dislike it as he wish, but people will ever need symbols, especially when during hard time.

Speaking of Marx.... honestly NONE of the communist countries that occurred was imagined by Marx, and honestly (if i'm right) shouldn't be a surprise (if i remember well he predicted that the USA would have been the first communist country because the large number of workers.
Marx established a scientific structure to analyze economy and society, predicting the only way for the human society to evolves and adapt.
Obviously he had nothing to predict how the single events in every single country could have been occurred, but don't forget that he made clear how a socialist country have to establish the "dictatorship of proletariat": a dictatoship, nothing of fun or pretty or nice....
But what's needed to face and defeat the contries led by the capitalist rulers, that start with advantages because they had years to enrich themselves, build powerful military and obscure and keep in ignorance the mind of the masses.

Probably Marx could have been more disappointed by all the wanna-be communist that speak of eco-friendly heroism and think it's all an adventure in Robin Hood style.
JKM1993 Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014
Yeah, or those children who think that they're so cool and trendy for being "communist" and calling everyone who happens to walk by or meet them "comrade".

Songun is a recent innovation of Juche, started being implemented in 1995 if I remember correctly. However, I think you are right. I looked again and I cannot find the source that said Juche was being replaced by Songun.

You are a hundred percent right on Gaddafi.

By the way, I am having trouble understanding what you are exactly saying, more specifically, defending?
Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014
Just to put some of more shame on the terrible leadership of my country, Italy had even a kind of mutual-project for defense both from inner and outside enemies. They basically spit on it..
And the CIA had collaborated with the Libyan intelligence to capture (and torture there) Al-Quaeda operatives, some of them released and then at the head of the rebel forces (and now dragging the country into another civil war).

Generally speaking, i've left comments and replies a number of time in this official stance of the CPDA, just to undress how it has been the product of a (very effective) campaign of propaganda and disinformation that has been produced by the southKorean press, CIA-founded "Radio Free Asia" and the western press.

And as amusing element, i could say that half of these CPDA members (honest communists) would have been easily deceived by the similar disinformation campaign made by the USA and the Western world in the last 2 centuries, if we had lived in that particular time.
Because the same campaign that now harass DPRK has been done against the early Marxist and communist movements, the anarchists, the Leninist Ussr, the Stalinist Ussr, the Maoist China, and all the other communist or even socialist nations (including the less dangerous, as Allende's Chile or Jacobo Arbenz government in Guatemala. )
JKM1993 Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014
Don't defend DPRK, they rejected Marxism in favour of Stalinism; Stalin was no economist, he was a great war leader and fought Fascist Germany (Nazis) tooth and nail; However, he was no hero, he harmed and murdered thousands upon thousands people. He had nothing to lead USSR with, he was probably the worst thing to the USSR. Shame that Trotsky didn't get leadership or Bukharin for that matter.

The fact that the North Korean government supports this is proof to me of them not being true to communism as a form of government. I had said this once before, North Korea is a hereditary leadership with strong Confucian overtones hidden as communism.

Alas, I didn't get my information from Radio Free Korea as I've never heard of it until now.

A successful communist government in my opinion would most likely be Cuba, or perhaps China.
Kooskia Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2014
If your criticism toward DPRK it's the criticism about Stalinism, then it's ok, it's perfectly legitimate because it's right (i don't discuss back here about it, because it's a very complex thing, my feelings toward Stalinism are mixed and a bit complex).

That DPRK is an hereditary goverment it's a bit a widespread unproper claim.
The choice of keeping as leader the same man from the same family it's clearly a strategy to rally together the people giving them a key figure, a man to recognize, of course matters of goverment are lead by the Party.
And after all it's exactly what Cuba did, electing Raul Castro, after the brother left the leadership.
Confucian overtones it's nothing that the cultural inheritance of the country: and you can find a different kind of cultural inheritance in every other communist/socialist country of the world (including Cuba, with strong importance to the past cuban war indipendence, with nationalist/patriottic style ).

Radio Free Asia it's a CIA sponsored group that operated in Cold War and still operate today as propaganda source for the asian communist countries. It's notorious to report the most absurd stories and theories that half of the time are discredited, half of the time are quoted by all the other press and believed to be true.
There is a similar group operating in Europe (now focused in anti-Russia work).
mas2500 Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is and outrage! I challenge the committee through debate via Skype! all of you!
renjikuchiki1 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014  Student General Artist
A debate about what exactly?
renjikuchiki1 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014  Student General Artist
While I am glad to see my proposal has a lot of support, I am disappointing in many for continuing to support the DPRK regime. 
Kooskia Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014
I tried to make a list about a key points about the massive propaganda carried on internet and media by western countries, hoping to make people reasoing about it.
95% of the political evaluation of DPRK made by commentors (both communist and not-communist) are basically the product of YEARS of on-going propaganda made on the west, from media articles to crappy books as "The cleanest race".
Most disturbing of all it's how this propaganda it's actually having big efforts toward the communists worldwide with a number of specific elemens:
1) they say one day that the DPRK is a big military threat (to rally all the right-wing militaristic)
2) the other day they say DPRK has little military value (to not "scare" the masses).
3) the third day they say how terribly they abuse people being "Stalinists" (to rally all the anti-communists).
4) the fourth day they say DPRK it's just a joke and has nothing of socialists (using often the term "capitalist", you ever noticed how in media they wrote "free market reforms" in articles praising changes in some countries, while they use "capitalism" in other situation? It's a difference of term that affect the reader).

Basically once 1-2 days of the last 20 YEARS there has been an info new of 1), 2), 3) or 4).
ALL these news came from "sources" as Radio Free Asia (directly paid by the taxes of US people), or the South Korean governative sources.
ALL these sources quote "reported information from anonym defector" as original source: obviously without evidence that they're true and ignoring a number of key facts as the existance of these sources or the honesty (or the interest in giving the "right info" in exchange of money or favours or having better life in South Korea).

Keeping in mind these facts, an analys of DPRK should be done, but not without ignoring that basically it's subject to a massive propaganda campaing on the same size suffered  by other communist and socialist countries. (in addition to economic block and military threat).
renjikuchiki1 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014  Student General Artist
bttlrp Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014
Juche is the latest ideological cover for the feudal-nationalist Kim crooks! Good riddance to backwards despotic horseshit! FUCK WORK, SUPPORT COMMUNISM!
Militant-Poet Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The position is a correct one, but the reference to the dictatorship as being one of a family is nonsense. It is class-blind and anti-materialist. The DPRK is ruled by and for the bureaucrat-capitalist class which funnels privileged and surplus to itself via their power over state-owned industries and land. They are supported by the "intellectuals" and military. The average military man is a transitive subject aspiring to enter the intelligentsia or bureaucrat-capitalist class, and is therefore allied to both. Due to the weak positions held by the intelligentsia and military, besides their utmost representative, the rank-and-file membership of these groups will often rebuke the bureaucrat-capitalists, just as the petite-bourgeois may rebuke monopoly capital.

This declasse flippancy toward the DPRK not only ignores the emergent and historic roles of classes, but "otherizes" the DPRK as some crackpot Asiatic despotism. Class is the question, and the working class is not in power in the DPRK.
bttlrp Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014
Why communists would support any political regime is totally beyond me, as we agitate for the end of class rule in any form. The State can never be anything but the imposition of class interests (aka, Labour) on the masses. The DPRK like every other capitalist government regime in existence imposes wage labour under the auspices of ideology ("Juche") and we must reject it, even before getting to the chronic human rights abuses.

The DPRK IS a crackpot Asian despotism. It is essentially a pre-capitalist mode of domination and is not even at the level of progressiveness as imperialist nations.

To have the working class in power would be a horrible thing, because class power is nothing but the ideology of labour. Abstract Labour is bullshit and must be smashed in every country in the world since it is the source of all capitalist oppression. The working class cannot rule because "they have no class interest to assert" - (Marx).
Militant-Poet Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh look, more moralistic garbage without class analysis. The DPRK is a capitalist state, but to say imperialist regimes are more progressive- nevermind, i'm done. For you to even say that means your chauvinism and crack-pot leftcomism are so ingrained that I'll save myself the trouble of engages with you and just not do it.
bttlrp Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014
Oppressed countries are more progressive... because they're underdeveloped/poor/oppressed etc? I don't get it - why would communist construction be prioritised in countries with weaker, industrial infrastructure when Western Europe and the US has already bypassed the industrial epoch? To even use accusations like chauvinist implies a modernist, nationalist conception of development. Globalisation has long since made the Second International view of Imperialism redundant. Capital does not develop within particular geographies. I would have been a Leninist several decades ago probably but it's obsolete now.
Militant-Poet Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Register as a democrat, then. I've been done exchanging with chauvinist marxish hipsters for quite some time.
The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Good response, if I do say so.

Would you not agree with the fact that the caste institution rather trumps the traditional classes of society, however? The DPRK is very much a caste society, almost as stringently as India. That is where I am weary of the Kim's, as they are rather literally at the top of the caste system. Kim Il-sung himself is both "Eternal President" and revered as a near deity by the obedient members of the Korean Workers Party. The Kim's have also established what could be considered the most staunch version of the "Cult of Personality" known within Socialist societies, further reinforcing their family position.

What I will also state is that this entire journal and the replies to it have been most informative as well. My personal knowledge of the DPRK has been somewhat limited, although certainly not based upon American propaganda sources as some would think.
Militant-Poet Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
There certainly exists a caste system in the DPRK, but this system is an outgrowth of the stagnation of the socialist-construction phase in my opinion. Those in power today, in every branch of the state, are either descended from anti-japanese partisans or peasants. Because of the emphasis placed by the state upon peasants, it became almost a requirement for social mobility to marry into a historically peasant family. Kim Il-Sung himself, as well as all decent socialists, realized that, although it is superior to traditional capitalist production, the peasant collective engenders capitalism if it is not replaced by state ownership. However, due to political scheming by China and the USSR, it became expedient for KIS to appoint partisans and peasants, the two bases of his party (in 1945 peasants outnumbered both workers and intellectuals in the party). You and I both know that peasant ideology tends not only to engender capitalism, but comes with hefty conservative overtones- filial-piety, male chauvinism, militarism etc. KIS's move away from socialism and toward nationalism in the 60's, culminating in Kim Jong-Il's appointment as party secretary in the early 70's, cemented the new bureacract capitalist class which admits only its fellow historically peasant families and families of partisans.

The cult and the Confucianism are all part and parcel of the type of state the DPRK really is- a formerly socialist country supplanted by bad theory and blindsided by emerging classes unseen in other countries. A true Peasant's State.
ThatCommunistGuy Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
Good call, needed to be made.
DasBishop666 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
"neo-monarchical" oh good someone agrees with me saying these dough boys are basically a monarchy
The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
In terms of cultural connotations, it is hardly surprising in the region. However, when one considers the PRC developed past that cultural trait...
Kooskia Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
I'm a bit disappointed because this just show how the cultural disinformation from the western media works even on minds of comrades.
"For decades, the leading philosophies of North Korea have been Juche and Songun, both of which are incompatible and contrary to the aims and ideals of Marxism. Songun alone, being a "military first" philosophy, speaks for the North's abandonment of the workers movement. "
It's not exactly correct: Juche is the socialist application in DPRK, as different applications has been made on different countries (basically each single socialist country claimed its own interpretation, and this is logical considering that leading a country brings a number of needs).
Speaking of Songun it's not exactly a philisophy and it's not exactly correct what has been said: DPRK is military and economically alone and Juche it's the reply of the constant threat made by the USA and its puppet government. Songun doesn't means that "military came first than people" as claimed by some western analysts, but that at this moment the military it's of primary importance to make the Songun survive under the different threats. This of course include the fact that the military it's actually heavily involved in economy, supporting the worker and being deployed for all the main street-building/factory-building/facilities-building projects of the country.
"Other evidence of North Korea's abandonment of any Socialist aims include the removal of Marxist references from that nation's constitution."
Also this is wrong, and well-known lie of western propaganda: Marxism-Leninism has never been mentioned in constitution on the first place, the country officially reports Juche as its political line (Socialism applied in DPRK; and that's more than enaugh).
"Not only has the North abandoned the proletarian struggle for which we all stand,"
When? How? Apart the western propaganda, the DPRK has ever supported the struggle of the southkorean suppressed workers and a number of internationalist causes in the world (Palestine, Cuba, etc...)
 "it has time and again abused the workers and peasants to the benefit of the military. "
Once again, not exactly: more resources has been given to military in face of the external threats (and this has been done also in Soviet Union and China), while the military itself it's employed in supporting the economy (and the worker): you've just to see one of the countless tv/video reports of DPRK to see squads of soldies building this edifice or helping with that harvast.
"The Kim dynasty, truly a neo-monarchical institution if ever there was one, is also being charged with gross Crimes Against Humanity by the United Nations. While prosecution of Kim Jong-un or other DPRK leaders is unlikely, the CPDA sees this as a positive action by the international community. "
There is no "dynasty", there is a strategy of keeping supreme leaders from the same family line because the Korean masses gives traditionally an huge importance to the family. Of course the country it's actually lead by the Politburo of the KWP and not by the "evil-mind-of the robot-like dictatorship that know and see everything" as in cartoons.
Finally the "reports" are a bunch of bullshits worked by anti-DPRK diplomats and (paid) judges after so-called "evidences" as "talks with defectors": not to mention the fact that actually the DPRK "defectors" are 1) People that has absolutely nothing against the DPRK but just want more money 2)Covert agents   3)Indoctrinated people by groups of south-korean/chinese extremists christians missionaries that abduce them.
Sometimes (when the "defector" it's genuine and not actually a staged southkorean paid actor/agent) it happens that a "defector" has the widespread idea of writing a book or memories about all the supposed abuses and inflicted tortures ... why? Becuase it's easily SOLD! And all say "ooowh, poor persecuted guy, i buy your book!"-
Or got a paid interview by the so-called UN-inquiry (that once again the UN prove to be a mere puppet of the imperialism).

I'm a bit disappointed by this journal, and i hope there will be reasonable replies to my messages.

Just to say how well the western propaganda works..... if the group would have been active in '50 or '70, you would have been supportive of the Soviet Union and Mao's China? At the time all what's said of DPRK NOW was said about both the SU and PRC: adding some even more gruesome touchs as voluntary cannibalism and baby-killing.
ThatCommunistGuy Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
Well in 1950 Stalin was in the Kremlin and in 1970 Mao was in the forbidden city, so y'know the whole millions of innocent people dead thing probably does mean they should have been vilified. 
The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed, although the truth behind either case always needs to be studied very carefully. The situation in the DPRK, on the other hand, seems to be (for what information there is outside the North) rather premeditated on the part of the regime. I have in the past disputed some of the alleged death toll associated with both Stalin and Mao, but I have yet to come across any credible evidence to dispute what is said of North Korea.
The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
While I can appreciate your disappointment with the Central Committee's decision on the DPRK, your argument is slightly off.

Militarily and economically, the DPRK is not "alone" as you would state, nor as Pyongyang would have the world believe. The Peoples Republic of China has time and again supported the DPRK, both militarily (during the Korean War) and economically. At least one Free Trade Zone exists along the Chinese-North Korean border, with plans for a second one. While not as reliable, North Korea also had/has partnerships with the USSR/Russian Federation. There have also been military trade/arms deals between the North and Iran, amongst others. So, is the DPRK "alone" and without allies and partners in the world? No. Albania, until the early 1990s, was also included on the list of nations which helped to support the DPRK. And yet, even with the backing of the PRC alone, North Korea still channels the vast majority of it's resources into the Songun doctrine. Do I agree that the DPRK has enemies at it's gates? Yes, I do. However, China, Vietnam, and Russia are all fairly close allies of the DPRK. Within the region, only South Korea and Japan and the American holdings in both are close enough to properly threaten the North.

Ideologically, "Socialism of Our Style" is nothing more than Nationalism hiding behind Socialist terms. It was Kim Il-sung himself who maligned Marxism and Leninism both, decrying both, and conceiving Juche to replace Marxism-Leninism. Kim Jong-il went further during a 1990 speech, implying that the failure of the Eastern Bloc wad specifically due to the applications of Marxism-Leninism. Any mention of "Communism" ( 공산주의) was removed from the DPRK's Constitution during the 2009 revision. Thus, historical fact dictates both men had very little regard for Marxian Communism, much less the Socialist basis for which Marxism came from. The retention of the caste system, a social order clearly in contradiction of the egalitarian aims of Communist philosophy, is also another telling point. Socialism, and Marxism specifically, seeks to bring about an egalitarian society. This is, naturally, impossible when the masses are divided not just between classes, but into hierarchical definitions determined by family lineage. The emphasis on the "blood, soul, and national identity" of the DPRK is staunch nationalism, a concept that Marxism struggles against as a trait of Capitalist, bourgeois society. So please, comrade, tell me how this "Socialism of Our Style" is Socialism (much less Communist) at all.

The source materials I have for the treatment of the North Korean peoples are not from outside the DPRK, but from within it. Not purely from refugees, either. Lives have been risked to smuggle very revealing footage out of the DPRK, where I remind you filming in public is highly illegal, in order to show the deplorable conditions in the country. With modest exception to Pyongyang itself, the vast majority of the DPRK is no better off than it was a century ago. Please explain why, even in Pyongyang, electric services are not reliable. Much less available outside of Pyongyang itself. One of the earlier Bolshevik aims, by contrast, was the complete electrification of the USSR. Although, considering Leninism is disregarded in the North, apparently the modernization, industrialization, and even utilities of a functioning Socialist society are also disregarded by the North.

To add to the humanitarian issues within the North, not only does the internal footage (again, at high risk of imprisonment) show the horrid state of affairs, countless satellite images by several nations (not just America) have revealed the size and number of prison camps increasing since the mid-1990s. IN ADDITION, the United Nations has formally started it's investigation into Crimes Against Humanity within the DPRK. If you are curious, you can read the UN report here:… (it is available in several languages)

Unsurprisingly, the DPRK has not been cooperative nor particularly outspoken. With some modest exception to KCNA broadcasts, the DPRK has officially said nothing nor replied to the UN on these matters.
Kooskia Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014
Yes, Free Zone Trades... as some kind of economical trades.
But i was speaking of military support: China and Russia would not move A FINGER  to really help the DPRK if there is an invasion and none of them made something to oppose the UN "resolutions" that basically choke the DPRK defense: the KPA is allowed to buy and import just small arms, even defensive tech as anti-air systems are forbidden.
There is some kind of sharing with the Iranians, but nothing of official and nothing that could really fill the gap (this is why they stress to keep on the nuclear programs: and why this strategy actually already achieved a partial success).
About the Nationalism: i could call it "Patriottism", Nationalism usually doesn't include the kind of comradeship that DPRK has proved and still prove...
I guess it's not a mistery how deeply this kind of patriottism is used in Cuba today, and how has been used by Ussr during the Great Patriotic War or in Vietnam, it's a strategy and it's effective.
You start fromt he point that there is an actual "caste system", because there isn't apart in the fantasies of some authors.
DPRK is a Socialist country both socially (edaction, health, work, home) that's provided to citizens, both economically (state-owned factories and groups and farms,  private-property of small enterprises is allowed under the umbrella of statal control, foreign enterprises are recluded in S.E.Z. and are under particular laws). That's what matter, being socialist in substance, that's much more "Marxist" rather than bearing the name "Marxist-Leninist" in official documents as in China, Vietnam and Laos (even if i still support all of them).
In all honesty, i've seen thousends of videos of the countryside: nothing worse comparing most of other asian countries or even south-european ones.
Elettrification in Ussr has not an easy process and Ussr had lots of more resources: DPRK has basically to import all the fuel (and part of the corn that can't be produced to fullfill the whole need of the country), the only natural resource of DPRK it's mineral, and it's just enaugh (at this level of exploitation) to fill the first two gaps on minimal levels.
Still the point it's the basic strategy that the imperialism forced with success against DPRK: constant military threat to force a country to large military expenses, bringing it to stagnation and bankrupt (on this strategy, a targeted country has two option: give up ALL the social key elements of job+home+health+teaching and allow capitalism with little control (as in China and a bit less in Vietnam: with the risk of giving up every other kind of policy), or try to make what's attempted by DPRK.
Cuba on the other side chose a direct opposite route (almost elmininating the military costs), attempting to get turism and some kind of more european friendly behavior.
But DPRK can't do the same for the fact of having a much more hot situation: let's not forget that basically both DPRK and SouthKorea claims to be the rightful sovereign entity of the whole peninsula.

I've already wrote about the UN ridiculous attempts: it's basically the fullfillment of a scheme that has long be expected.... the "investigation" has been actually just some interviewing with "defectors" (at best people paid to say what they say (and sell their books), at bost staged southkorean).
It's not exactly "Unsurprisingly", because it has been said and said more time this issue of the "human right" in DPRK. Honestly i would like to remember the words of Fidel about this issue, how some imperialist powers keep stressing of "human rights" while ignoring of "rights of the humanity".
It has been years that the UN has been a mere tool in the hands of the USA, having the majority of the seats in the Council.... 
Nor that the UN has something more than a formal power in most of the cases, as we've seen with the Bombing of Serbia.
The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You do realize that the DPRK's military is relatively modern. Much of their rocket technology (long-range systems being the exception) is on par with any other regional nation, and much of it's hardware is Chinese or Soviet in origin, most of which has been reverse engineered and improved upon domestically. The DPRK's air force is equipped with MiG 29s, hardly outdated aircraft. The North also has concluded several arms deals with Iran, which also possesses fairly modern weapons systems. Iranian military personnel and North Korean military personnel have participated with each other, in both nations. The only reason why South Korean military equipment may be better than the DPRK's is due to the South's status as an ersatz holding of America, much as Okinawa is in Japan. Wherever there is a US military alliance, there is always US military equipment and personnel, and thus demonstrates my nation's neo-colonial tactics.

To say that the PRC would do nothing if North Korea were attacked is highly questionable. The Russian Federation, on the other hand, likely wouldn't. It is also of note that the PRC has now recently voiced opposition to the UN report I directed you to. I concede that the PRC has a valid argument, as their reasoning has been "the biased nature of the report, due to a lack of observation of the nation concerned." What I would, however, like to know is why the DPRK has either ignored or declined UN inspectors if they are not in violation of human rights. If the DPRK has not committed mass crimes, why are they not allowing for strictly observational envoys from the UN? Especially when one considers that the DPRK is a heavy recipient of food aid from the UN, one would wonder why the North would wish to deny observers to put the human rights issue to rest. Frankly, I'd wonder this about any nation, not just the North, that is under charges of abuses.

I would also like to point out that while I am bringing up the UN, this should not be confused with some Wilsonian admiration of that body. There is plenty enough to criticize about the UN as an effective body of "world peace".

I do recall Comrade Fidel's statements on human rights, not to mention the concepts of Liberty. They are in line with Lenin's own concepts on a nation's right to self-determination.

There exists a very, very thin line between Patriotism and Nationalism. I would, however, argue that the DPRK is Nationalist due to the xenophobic nature of their "patriotism". When foreign ambassadors have cited being attacked outside of their embassies, this is a bit suspect, is it not? When there have even been incidences against Chinese in the DPRK, which is a tad ironic if you ask me, can it be nothing less than Nationalist fervor? Or are the Chinese too lying to the world about their allies?

The bombing of Serbia? That is hardly a good example of injustice, considering the Nationalist Serbs committed heinous atrocities against Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia. The collapse of Yugoslavia was a horrendous affair, with crimes on all sides. On the other hand, a good example would be UN complacency in regards to American crimes in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I'd love to know why nobody has ever tried to pin war crimes, crimes against humanity, and other charges against the United States. But we'll never get the truth about any of it, will we?

Until proven otherwise, I cannot give my support to the DPRK as I can with Cuba or the legacy of the USSR. Just as I cannot support the PRC today, as it has tread a rather unnerving path to the restoration of economic Capitalism. When it comes to Vietnam and Laos, I freely admit a lack of knowledge on the current conditions of either country. I will also freely admit that I have learned a bit about the DPRK as a result of the commentary to this journal, part of which I can honestly thank you for.
Kooskia Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014
An interesting commentary of KCNA today (from Rodong Sinmun) make a short commentary of the whole UN claims:

" Pyongyang, April 18 (KCNA) -- The U.S. smear campaign against the DPRK has reached an intolerable phase these days, says Rodong Sinmun on Friday in an article. It goes on:
    The U.S., not content with vociferating about "threats" from the DPRK, labeled it a "country of evils" and "evil place." It is letting loose a string of invectives against the DPRK, taking issue with it over its election of deputies to the power body. It is going reckless to bring up the "human rights issue" of the DPRK for discussion at the UN Security Council in a bid to internationalize it.
    The U.S. is getting busy with the anti-DPRK smear campaign as it is much upset by the socialist system of Korean style fully displaying its advantages and might.
    Such advantages and might of socialism which capitalism can neither imitate nor display are throwing the U.S. imperialists into despair.
    The U.S. desperate smear campaign against the DPRK is aimed to save at any cost the system of international cooperation in it now shaking to its very foundation.
    Mankind is finding out its way in the reality of the DPRK.
    Peace on the Korean peninsula is guaranteed by the DPRK's nuclear deterrence for self-defence.
    The DPRK's ongoing struggle to defend socialism is the one to prevail over imperialism in all aspects of social life by giving fullest play to the advantages and might of socialism while consolidating the victories and achievements already gained.
    The base and vicious anti-DPRK smear campaign would get the U.S. imperialists nowhere. -0-"

The most interesting element it's that they don't claim "they tell shit about us because they hate us, they want to conquer us, etc.. etc.." (all true reasons).
But they underline how the key elements it's that DPRK represent an exemple of socialist system, and because of this is dangerous to the capitalist system itself.
I don't go further on commenting the other opinions below..
Especially as the supposed "caste system" (not-existant, apart the fantasies of some western writers, that has i pointed out, wrote books according the common law of profit: what's sell more? a moderate and complete analysis of a country, OR a book that wrote unconfirmed reported or faked claims of awesome abuses and science-fiction like elements?"
I should just remind the same kind of sci-fi stories were made for China (with the crazy communists making hyponsis-like mind cleaning of US prisoners in Korea, hoping to infiltrate the USA and cause some kind of apocalyps).
Kooskia Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014
Concerning military, the debate it's a bit open and surely interesting.
The north has some remarkable weapons that combined with the ground and the close distance still pose a serious threat to an enemy force. But to keep this force updated it's costly, MLRSs and long range artillery can be effective (as the Navy, often forgotten, but the KPN has a strong force of midgetsubs that has proved to be good and exported to Iran), but the air defense and air force both needs lots of work, the few MiG-29 are still old units bought at early '90. And even if from the last year appears they've worked on an indigenous copy of the S-300 SAM missile, it's probably not yet deployed in good number or good quality.
In general, i think it is a good force, but it needs constant founding...
In some way the nuclear program can even be seen as an alternative way, i remember there was a korean article that sort-of openly admitted that they could exploit the fact of having a nuke program to remove founds from the conventional military to economy.

On both Russia and China i'm honestly a bit firm on this evaluation: the Chinese passivity in international and military affair of the last '20s years has been a big concern about how what could be potentially the most prominent communist military country yet with no apparent interest for what happens outside the borders.

Speaking about the denial of the DPRK for the further invest. i expected it and don't think it's unreasonable.
Apart the fact that none deny (nor the DPRK) that there ARE some prison camps, and that they're surely not "sweet" with oppositors (hard labors and death penalty are officially admitted). But on counterpart i like ever the quote that's "the truth lies somewhere in between".
But the North Korean point it's that even if they allow an investigation, and even if they notice that there is actually an hard prisony system, they will get criticized anyhow.
And knowing that China will not back further inquiries, they simply cut the speech about it.

About the xeonophby it's another a bit inflated myth. It occurrred ONE incident some decades ago involving black Cuban embassy staff (an incident moreover quickly quelled by police). On the other side the DPRK has had groups of young foreign students visiting the country (still today Russians do it), and from the cold war up today the DPRK has been pretty much active in contacts with palestines and other middle-east insurgent figures (with collaborations, supports etc..), this including also Japanese revolutionaries (that we may call officially "terrorists") reaching finally open-large internationalist missions as sending pilots and anti-aircraft staff in Vietnam (with Kim that said something as "You've to defend Hanoi's sky as if it's the one of Pyongyang).

Concerning nationalism/patriotism it's still of course a double-edged sword, but about this point of view it's a more dangerous event right in China than Korea: and racism or discrimination in north china toward koreans or ethnic koreans can easily cause further vengeful localfeelings.

"The bombing of Serbia? That is hardly a good example of injustice, considering the Nationalist Serbs committed heinous atrocities against Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia. "
Exactly as Croats and Albanians of the UCK were committing massacres over Serbian and/or Bosnian. It was a conflict with everyone attacking everyone, but the western world chose to show just one side of the coin, without giving a single world of the massacres committed by the others.
The aerial campaign was basically made to support a militant organization (UCK) that until some time before was openly considered "terrorist" and quickly turned in "freedom fighters".
However my point was just to show an exemple of the lack of actual power of the UN: because it was something done without UN approval.

Speaking in general, i think that's the practical need is sometimes necessary. I doesn't agree with a number of systems as in China and partially in Vietnam. Yet i support them because it's the most effective thing to do (as i could support Syria, that even if there are communist groups in support of Assad, the Baathist rule actually had some times of clashes against the Palestinians in Lebanon war;  or as i could even "support" Iran thinking at them as useful bastards).

Speaking of China, Vietnam and Laos, the dialogue would be very long. For what i studied until now, both Vietnam and Laos has been more cautious on adapting the market economy: they allow it, but under some more stern state control.
This strategy could be considered reasoble for both the countries (Laos having almost zero resources, Vietnam being a former Soviet allied now surrounded by potential rivals, including China).
On China the situation it's much more complicated, because included situations out-of-control and serious adverse effects on population and inability of the leadership to settle them.

KnoFear Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Student Writer
Juche is a specifically non-socialist ideology; it means self-reliance, and it detaches the North Korean state and its people from the goals of socialism. All mentions of communism were removed from the state constitution, in fact.

The military-first policy is exactly one of our main quips with North Korea today. North Korea has over 1 million military personnel in a country smaller than the state of New York, with a smaller overall population than said state. For comparison, the United States military is not that much larger, and yet our total population is more than 10 times that of North Korea. Diverting state resources so strongly away from the people just proves how poorly North Korean leaders set their priorities.

As for keeping the leader in the family, the same is true in China, South Korea, and Japan. Yet even Mao's chosen successor was not a family member.

I can't really say much about the overall make-up of defectors; I don't know the statistics on that, unfortunately. But I can say this: people who make it out and write their books aren't just doing it for money. They feel a duty to tell the world a story it hasn't heard much of before, just as we feel the duty to inform people of communism. 
Kooskia Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
"Juche is a specifically non-socialist ideology"
Quite the contrary, who said it isn't? Western sources, once again, read the actual documents of DPRK sites, or at least SOME north korean articles, and you will be surprised by the high number of use of the term "Socialist", rather than "Juche" itself, as the fact they wrote how the Juche itself it's something to enrich and develope the Korean Socialism.
All the claims that it's not so, just surface from biased media.
And THAT's a fact. (as once again the fact that earlier constit. had not such open claims).

"The military-first policy is exactly one of our main quips with North Korea today. North Korea has over 1 million military personnel in a country smaller than the state of New York, with a smaller overall population than said state. For comparison, the United States military is not that much larger, and yet our total population is more than 10 times that of North Korea. Diverting state resources so strongly away from the people just proves how poorly North Korean leaders set their priorities."
MAYBE the USA it's an imperialist stat that exploit natural resources and workers to gain profits and enrich and keep its dominion with a military machine.
And maybe DPRK is basically a surrounded country under constant threat of annhilation.
Let's make a try: you turns DPRK leader and decide to cut with the military-first policy, what happens? The next day you've SK tanks rolling over Pyongyang.
Pretty much simple.
Not to mention that actually according the whole defensive system of DPRK the WHOLE able population (including worker, and including teens) could be able to be recruited in War, exactly the same system of popular masses war employed for years by DPRK and by other countries (as in East Europe and Cuba, where most of the population receive basic military training, or at least on paper...)

Not exactly about the family leader: we should search about the historical roots of these countries, because Japan was brought from a bloody middle-age to the new century and pressed on by imperialist countries to became a partner: it's culture has quickly shaped and changed on the blood of Japaneses.
Same (but some kind different) thing for China, with an higher degree of changes (war lords, repubblic, parties etc...).
Korea saw nothing of all this: the moved STRAIGHT from middle-age directly to Japanese military occupation.
And after this we had STRAIGHT a double effect: military US occupation of South Korea (with former collaborationist generals under Japan that quickly moved undeer the shadow of their new masters), while only a small group of trained revolutionaries fighting in China was able to establish the DPRK in North with support of China and Ussr.
That's history, and this is much shortened.

"people who make it out and write their books aren't just doing it for money."
Well... not "just money".
An BIG CHUNK of money, a nice car, and a good aprtment and a stable bank account
tf2playerooooo2 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
Very good speech 
VladimirSeyer Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
You got a smart brain to avenge Kim Family...
i too was wandering why the group does not consider the DPRK a Communist or Socialist...
I was too,dissapointed by are one of the most smartest people who knows the DPRK much...
Kooskia Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
I'm not here to "avenge Kim Family", i'm here to say that we can't simply give credits to the most low-quality repetitive and blind media propaganda that's keep on hammering with the same elements: on one side the widespread use of the so-called defectors (without real proof they are actually defectors and without proof about the realism of the descriptions), on the other side another blade to separate the DPRK from the international communist and socialist movements, stressing some not only they're "monster" but aren't socialist too...
And this kind of propaganda it's EXACTLY the same that has feed the masses for decades on the western world.
If we believe at these things, we should also give credits also that lies widespreas on Marx and especially Lenin (that are currently on the CPDA logo).

I'm not "the smartest", but i try to read ALL the sources, all the articles and all the statements (including long and detailed DPRK-official articles, ALL available on internet on the .kp sites), adding this with some curious fact, as most of the "sources" that attacks DPRK actually originate by the southKorean governative OR (even worse) by sources as "Radio Free Asia".

The truth it's that there is no evidence about most of the negative things said or claimed by DPRK, while finally also some western media starts to say that maybe "one should not take all the reports from DPRK as 100% sure" or that actually ALL the bs said about DPRK has ever in the text words as "rumors", "alleged", "reported" or "supposed".

godofwarlover Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
Yeah! Fuck the Kim Family!!
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